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blakmuscle27
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« on: November 06, 2009, 08:02:16 AM »

I'm wanting to put together a great cycle, as well as my nutrition to be at my best for this meet.   I'm thinking of stacking P-Plex, M-Drol, and Tren, or Trenadrol.  I would obviously stair step them.  I would use cycle assist as well.  My P.C.T would have Livercare and Novedex.  I dont know if that P.C.T is enough.  I'm looking for a better recovery than just Glutemine.   What do you think?
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« Reply #1 on: November 06, 2009, 08:33:43 AM »

I'm definatly no pro-source for information here, but I would suggest that you should run red-yeast rice, milk thistle, and CoQ10 a couple weeks before you start, all the way through and even into your PCT.  That's a pretty hard core stack you're talking about and your liver is gonna be seriously battling toxicity.  As well, if you are stepping them up and going to be on them for a while (how long is your total duration going to last?) you may need to run a test booster along with them and definatly in your PCT.  Animal Stak plus some extra Tribulus might work. 

I would suggest waiting until you get a response from Garlick or Raptor as they seem to know much more in this area than I do, but unless you've gone through a few PH cycles before, this sounds a bit much IMO.
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« Reply #2 on: November 06, 2009, 08:50:13 AM »

I'm wanting to put together a great cycle, as well as my nutrition to be at my best for this meet.   I'm thinking of stacking P-Plex, M-Drol, and Tren, or Trenadrol.  I would obviously stair step them.  I would use cycle assist as well.  My P.C.T would have Livercare and Novedex.  I dont know if that P.C.T is enough.  I'm looking for a better recovery than just Glutemine.   What do you think?

That PCT is horrible, especially for what you're trying to stack. You also are way over doing it on your stack. You really only need to stack 2 PH's at one time, as you don't really get much benefit from stacking 3 compounds. The 3 compounds you're thinking of stacking P-Plex & Tren are both Type I PH's, so they both work on the Androgen receptors, meaning that they're just stepping on each others toes.

Think of it this way, your androgen receptors are like parking spots in a parking lot. If you take 1 PH, you're essentially filling up the parking lot with cars at a very rapid pace. By adding an additional Androgen compound, you will have too many cars for the spots in the parking lot, causing several of the cars to leave before they get a chance to park. Essentially you'll be wasting those "cars" as they pass through your system.

Now, something else to consider, when taking two Type I compounds, because your androgen receptors are already being bombarded with compounds, you can seriously over do it, and cause irreparable damage to them, causing major shutdown, that can only be fixed through years of therapy, so it's really not a good idea to stack 2 compounds that work the same way at the same time.

Now, M-Drol (a superdrol clone) works on different receptors in the body than Tren or P-Plex, so if you're going to do a stack, you should pick one of the Tren or P-Plex & stack it with M-Drol.

Even then, I have to ask, is this your first PH cycle?? If it is, DO NOT STACK COMPOUNDS. You have no idea how your body is going to react to any of these compounds, and by adding 2 together, you can cause your system to overact instantaneously and cause immediate shutdown. Also very bad, and again, will need years of therapy to correct. You can also cause several other terrible things to happen. If you have any underlying conditions that you may not know about, they can present much faster when you stack compounds. For example, if you stack Superdrol & Trenadrol, both raise bad cholesterol levels, you may not have known that you have a heart issue, and can exacerbate the situation, with little or no time to react and no time to correct it before something serious happens.

So if this is your first rodeo, please reconsider.

Lets get those things out of the way before we start talking about cycle support and PCT.

So first, is this your first PH cycle??
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« Reply #3 on: November 06, 2009, 09:52:54 AM »

Thanks for the repies.

Here is what I have so far:

M-Drol
Tren

Cycle Assist- I'll start a few weeks before my cycle. Thanks Dammit!

P.C.T

Livercare.. Should I take Livercare during my cycle as well?
Novedex- Is this the best SERM for this cycle?
AmimalStak.

I plan to run this cycle for 6 weeks.  Is this long enough?

Protien:

Pro Complex or Max Pro

I have used MaxPro and had solid results in the past.

Pre-Workout:

Jacked or Full Blown Extreme

I have used Full Blown in the past, it worked, but pricey.

Recovery:

Max Arm? or Torrent? 

I've used Tren in the past and had great results.  So I wanted to add something to this cycle as I have a big meet at the end of January.  Also,  I normally cut 13-15 lbs for my meet.  I compete at 220. I know I'm throwing a lot out there.  I'm an experience lifter and really looking to take my game to a new level.
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« Reply #4 on: November 06, 2009, 10:04:50 AM »

If you've used tren before with good results, why push it with a meet so soon?  My worry would be more along the line of injury or complication from the two PH's combined.  I would definatly take livercare during your cycle as well as after.  Those are two pretty potent PH's (the milk thistle, red yeast rice and coq10 will also help your liver out as well as keeping cholesterol and BP in check).

I would also recommend glucosamine and chondroitin with MSM and maybe even hyaluronic acid for your joints, especially to avoid injury to them so soon before your meet.  6 weeks sounds long enough a cycle for the PH's but you want at least 2 weeks of pre-PH cycleassist beforehand and you might be cutting it close by January.  Do you plan on stepping up both PH's at the same time or stagger them in the beginning.  Staggering would be my suggestion to see how you'll react to taking both.  If you take them both at once and realize there is something wrong, you've possibly done serious harm without knowing which one is the cause (or the combination).  Start with the Tren as you have used it before, then after a week, add in the MDrol (this may or may not be good advice since I have never taken two but this would be my cautious approach. 

Animal Stak post is good and toss in some ZMA as it potentially could help increase free test levels.  I am still unsure if Novedex is enough for your SERM though.  Maybe clomid?  Again, look to Garlick for that.  Still keep up with the livercare and joint support afterwards. 
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« Reply #5 on: November 06, 2009, 10:17:24 AM »

Ok, first, Novadex is not a SERM. It's not even that powerful of an anti estrogen. You need a SERM if you're going to stack compounds, you can write me a private message and I'll direct you to the right place to get a SERM. You're thinking of Nolvadex which is Tamoxifen Citrate, which is a SERM. Novadex XT is a wannabe PCT that is just not strong enough for what you're going to do.

You will want a natural test booster for post cycle as well, so make sure to get a natural test booster to help get your levels back to normal.

You should take Livercare throughout your cycle. M-drol is a methylated compounds, so it's going to be very tough on your liver, and you're going to need liver support throughout your cycle in order to assure you don't have any issues.

You're also definitely going to need both Red Yeast Rice & CoQ10. One will help keep your cholesterol at lower levels, and one will keep your blood pressure under control. Both are issues with Tren & M-Drol.

You also should be taking some form of good fats, like Omega 3's from Flax or Fish oils. This is essential while on cycle, as it will help in keeping your lipid profile in check.

6-weeks is plenty long for a cycle, and you should see good results from that cycle. I would definitely not go any longer than that, as you'll run the risk of major damage if you do.

As for recovery, I like Torrent more than Max Arm, but either will work.

You can also drop your Jack3d & Full Blown Extreme, as PWO drinks are relatively useless on cycle, and actually can be fairly dangerous. Your muscles will be plenty vascular with all the hormones that are pumping through your system, and the caffeine in the supplements will raise your blood pressure additionally to the PH's, which could be dangerous depending on your heart health. Also you're already going to get huge pumps from the PH's and having too much pump can limit your mobility and cause you to have bad workout sessions.
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« Reply #6 on: November 06, 2009, 11:29:16 AM »

If you've used tren before with good results, why push it with a meet so soon?  My worry would be more along the line of injury or complication from the two PH's combined.  I would definatly take livercare during your cycle as well as after.  Those are two pretty potent PH's (the milk thistle, red yeast rice and coq10 will also help your liver out as well as keeping cholesterol and BP in check).

I would also recommend glucosamine and chondroitin with MSM and maybe even hyaluronic acid for your joints, especially to avoid injury to them so soon before your meet.  6 weeks sounds long enough a cycle for the PH's but you want at least 2 weeks of pre-PH cycleassist beforehand and you might be cutting it close by January.  Do you plan on stepping up both PH's at the same time or stagger them in the beginning.  Staggering would be my suggestion to see how you'll react to taking both.  If you take them both at once and realize there is something wrong, you've possibly done serious harm without knowing which one is the cause (or the combination).  Start with the Tren as you have used it before, then after a week, add in the MDrol (this may or may not be good advice since I have never taken two but this would be my cautious approach. 

Animal Stak post is good and toss in some ZMA as it potentially could help increase free test levels.  I am still unsure if Novedex is enough for your SERM though.  Maybe clomid?  Again, look to Garlick for that.  Still keep up with the livercare and joint support afterwards. 

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« Reply #7 on: November 06, 2009, 11:40:12 AM »

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« Reply #8 on: November 06, 2009, 11:47:55 AM »

Revision #2

C.E.L Cycle Assist
M-Drol
Tren
Livercare

I'll start with M-Drol for 2 weeks, then start Tren.

P.C.T.

SERM-later tbd...
AnimalStak
Red Yeast Rice & CoQ10, DO I take this during the cycle or after?


Its a toss up on the protien

I'll try Torrent for post-work out.
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« Reply #9 on: November 06, 2009, 12:13:11 PM »

CoQ10 & Red Yeast Rice are taken pre, during & post cycle.

Pre Load them with your liver care for 2 weeks before you start the M-Drol. You will need them built up in your system in order to be effective.
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« Reply #10 on: November 06, 2009, 12:44:52 PM »

Ok. Great...  Thanks.. You guys, Dammit and Garlick are on top of your ***!!
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« Reply #11 on: November 06, 2009, 03:01:42 PM »

Novedex is just a test booster. You need to get yourself some nolvadex. I would also suggest you throw in some Reversitol by I-Force into the mix. You'll also want some cissus quadrangularis for your joints. It works really well and it's really cheap if you buy it in powder form.
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